Join Voice Over Expert Sunday Muse as she shares her expertise as a children’s voice acting coach in her lecture “Kids Voice Acting : How To Become a Cartoon Character”. By keeping it ‘active’ and projecting a larger than life image with their voices, children learn how to physicalize and vocalize the exaggerated sides of themselves to achieve their goals and create memorable characters while gaining self-esteem.
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Transcript of Kids Voice Acting : How To Become a Cartoon Character
[Opening Music]
Julie-Ann Dean: Welcome to Voiceover Experts brought to you by Voices.com, the number one voiceover marketplace. Voiceover Experts brings you tips, pearls of wisdom and techniques from top instructors, authors and performers in the field of voiceover. Join us each week to discover tricks of the trade that will help you to develop your craft and prosper as a career voiceover talent. It’s never been easier to learn, perform, and succeed from the privacy of your own home and your own pace. This is truly an education you won’t find anywhere else.
Now, for our special guest.
Sunday Muse: My name is Sunday Muse. I teach how to do cartoon voices to children and teens in Toronto, Montreal and New York, most recently. Today, I’d like to talk about kids becoming the character, what it means for them to maintain the energy of the character specifically for the purpose of becoming a cartoon because it’s very different than natural talking energy just like I am talking right now. It’s a much more projected kind of speaking that children need to enter and I mean, I really do focus on that because that is essentially what gets them the job and teaches them how to use the microphone and how to connect to this wonderful world of cartoons.
So, how do I help them become the character? I base a lot of the beginnings of my workshops and private lessons if people have not worked with me before, I base it a lot on having a visual image of the character and what that means to each child. So, the expression of one character, I always say, “Can you imitate that, see what that feels like on your own face and what are – if you’re playing a piece of sushi which I actually have pictures of little cartoon pieces of sushi. It’s a series called Yam Roll and what is the mouth of this little piece of sushi doing? Can you do that?
And we go through each child doing different facial expressions and then I say, “Okay, now what would it feel like to let the voice out in that kind of expressive place?” and usually 99.9% of the time, the voice energy, the voice level does not match the projection needed to become the cartoon. So, they may do the character the first time and the character kind of talks like (indiscernible) where we can’t understand what you’re saying and so the whole basis of what I teach is about. Okay, so how do you keep your voice animated? Well, you have to not only project which is very important but also to connect the body to the voice and how do you do that? Well, you ask yourself and I ask the kids, “What is the character doing at this very moment?” Make it up on the spot, let’s just use our imagination and see what the character is doing and they say, “My character is shoveling sand.” I’m like, “Okay.” So, can you physically do that with your body and think about projecting your voice and say some dialog and they do and nine times out of ten, their energy improves greatly.
Now, this take a lot of practice, I must say. It doesn’t come in one shot. Some people think that doing voice work happens in a day. You can come and do one workshop and you’re set for life but like I say with anything else, if you’re learning ballet or hockey, you can’t learn it in a day. You need time to process this work. Again, the biggest thing with kids is I always say keep it active, keep it active. What is the character doing in this moment or what is the character feeling. And then how can you put that in your body. If the character is angry, show me angry face basically but not just a simple angry face but let’s exaggerate it because cartoons are the exaggerated side of our selves, in my opinion. They’re the extreme of emotions. They’re the extremes of us and so in order to do that you have to get really, really big and it’s tiring at first for many of my students and then they get into repetition with it and practice and it starts to really unfold and become more natural.
So, I start with visual images then we do of course work with the microphone and learning how to project into a microphone so that they’re not – their mouth is not attached to the microphone because that would blast everybody away but rather how do you relate to this microphone which is this thing that’s stuck in front of you and how do you move your body with this microphone? Well, you can’t jump around the room of course but you have to physicalize on the spot and move your arms. As long as you’re not moving your head from side to side, we can hear you or the casting directors can hear what the talent is doing in the audition which is vital. Some kids I have just jump all over the place and their head is going left to right and I’m like, “No. Stop. We can’t hear you.” And that’s a problem because you’re rolling down on the ground. So it’s an acting class on the spot in a way.
Then we do script breakdown and what gets lost so quickly is the connection to the story because what ends up happening is that the child reading the script just goes from his line, to his line, to his line and it sounds kind of flat and like a song with one note, that what I say a lot. This is a song with one note. We do not like songs with one note. They’re very boring. We need variation and all kinds of notes and crescendos and different emotions.
So, I help them break down their script according to what action or emotion they are doing with each line and then I say, “What are you doing with your arms?” Because often times they just stand there and they say the lines and there’s no energy in the voice and I’m like, “You have got to move your arms.” And they are like, “Well, how do we – why would we move our arms?” Well, because you’re a cartoon. Cartoons are exaggerated. When you look at your script figure out what you are doing actively in each line and then do that in your body.
That is essentially the translation of how I work with – how I teach kids to become the character. That’s the simplified breakdown and it’s very effective so far. I learn as I go, the kids teach me a great deal and exaggeration is a fantastic way to get kids out of their heads and in their bodies so that they’re thinking larger than life. They’re thinking looking ridiculous. I always say, “Don’t be afraid to look ridiculous here.” Cartoons don’t always look normal, they look kind of kookie and wild sometimes, so you need to risk that as well and that’s I think all I’m going to cover today.
Thank you for tuning in and I look forward to continuing on another topic, another day. Again, my name is Sunday Muse. Goodbye.
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Your Instructor this week:
Voice Over Expert Sunday Muse
As a leading voice actor specializing in animation, Sunday Muse has become the “Go To” person for those in the animation industry who seek to learn a one of a kind technique she devised called “Actively on the Spot.” This original technique teaches students how to animate their bodies and voice through connecting to the emotions and actions of the characters they’re playing. By using this technique, Sunday’s clients have gone on to book roles in major cartoons such as “FAMILY GUY”on FOX, “SUPER WHY” on PBS (by the creators of “BLUES CLUES”) ‘WILL & DEWITT,”(KIDS WB) “FUTURE IS WILD.” (DISCOVERY KIDS NBC) Top casting directors such as Debra Toffan & Jessie Thomson who cast “MISS SPIDER,” “ROLIE POLIE OLIE,” “CAILLOU,” “ARTHUR,” seek her expertise on casting recommendations for lead roles in animated series.
“SUNDAY MUSE CARTOON VOICES FOR KIDS,” is a one of a kind workshop taught in Toronto and Vancouver, where Sunday shares all the valuable tools she gained during her many years as a lead voice for cartoons. Sunday has provided her vocal talents in popular series as: Disney’s Emmy award winning Rolie Polie Olie, (Playhouse Disney) Cheer Bear/CARE BEARS, JO-JO’S CIRCUS (Playhouse Disney) TIME WARP TRIO (Discovery Kids – NBC) CAILLOU, (PBS) RESCUE HEROES, UNDERGRADS, YAM ROLL, JANE & THE DRAGON, 6 TEEN, as well as dozens of radio commercials.
Sunday has been a featured guest on numerous radio shows and she delivers a voice over podcast “How Kids do Characters.”
Sunday Muse honed her acting skills on the stages of National Theatre School, Second City, Yuk Yuk’s, Laugh Resort, and her one woman shows.
Comments
How old should my child be in this program? Is there any way I can call you for more info? Are the cartoons in 2008, and if my child gets the job when can he work, and what network is the cartoon on?
Is the cartoon on nickelodeon, Disney channel, or cartoon network?
Hi Rachel,
I was informed that you wanted to contact me through Voice Over Experts.
My name is Sunday Muse and I do many cartoon voices on series that air on Disney, NBC etc. I also teach cartoon voice workshops to kids 7 – 12yrs and teens 13 – 19yrs in Toronto. These workshops teach kids HOW to do cartoon voices. If you want info on that, please let me know.
My workshops are one day and they fill up fast. Next KIDS is Sunday Jan. 20th, TEENS Sunday Jan. 27th.
Please see my website for details on me and the workshops.
http://www.sundaymuse.com
Best,
Sunday
I an curious about becoming a voice-over person how do you get into the loop and get jobs doing voices for movies like Over the Hedge or shows like American Dragon, Dora, etc… Any advice?
Dear Sunday,
I read the comment you left for Rachel but I’m 14 years old on the 25th February and I want to be an actress and and voice over artist, so I wanted to no if this will help me become a voice for a cartoon or not?
Thank you,
Chelsea
I really enjoyed your voices.com podcast. I’m trying to break into the business and I found your show to be very helpful. Thanks.
I enjoy Time Warp Trio
Hi my name is Kayleigh.
I have all ways wanted to be either a cartoon character or actress but never have known how to fulfill my dreams. Could you tell me if there are voice lessons in the UK as I want to focus on the opportunities I have craved for?
Thank you,
Kayleigh
I have 3 year old that is very SMART… He is a FAST learner and is very CONFIDENT about any and everything that he does… I have BIG dreams for my Son and would LOVE to get him involved into Voice Acting, Modeling and many more GREAT ADVENTURES for him.
Dear Sunday,
My son has always wanted to be the voice of a cartoon. He has some experience in the theatre and has a very projective voice and a great personality. How can he overcome his craving to be a voice for a cartoon?
Hey! i can be a really really good person to become the voice of any cartoon on disney channel or nickelodeon please give me a chance and it will be worth it! thank u!
Ms. Sunday Muse,
I’d really like to become a voice actor . I want to know if you could show me the ropes. I’d had this dream since i was 7 years old i haven’t ben able to take drama in 8th grade.
I live in miami, florida. Your show was helpful, and i really want to fulfill my dreams.
Thanks
its been my deam to be a cartoon star ms. sundaymuse! i have a squeeky voice some times and i make funny noises like tim allen.
i was hoping you could make me a star!!!! i will do baby shows,kids whatever,to be a voice in a cartoon. i’m a 12 year old girl and i live in la cali. the show was helpful
I would love to be a voice actress more than anything. I want to do it now though, I’m 15. Can anyone help me ???
Hi, my name is Brittani. I am a high school student that dreams of becoming a voice actor. Cartoons-you name it. I really don’t know where to begin. I research all the time but I have never gotten a strait answer. I practice almost every day. (My friends think I’m half crazy going in and out of character at times) So could you send me an email and help me out. I have some questions.
Hi Brittani,
Thank you for commenting and I hope all is well with you.
I think you may find answers to the questions you are seeking at the Voices.com Frequently Asked Questions Knowledge Base here:
https://www.voices.com/help/faq
Thank you again for your interest in a career in voice acting!
Best wishes,
Stephanie
Hello!
My name is Sterling and I just turned 19, God I feel old, well anyways, I see that there are a lot of help for kids but I was wondering if there are any workshops for adults or teens? I would love to be a voice actor for shows but I have no idea where to even begin or who to turn to. I live just outside of Toronto so I’m close to the big business area. I guess what I’m asking is for maybe names of people who work with teens and adults?
Hope to hear back from you! 🙂
Hi Sterling,
Thank you for commenting on a Voice Over Experts podcast episode featuring Sunday Muse. Sunday also teaches teenagers and young adults. Another couple of teachers you may find helpful are Mike Kirby and Melissa Altro. They are also based in Toronto.
Mike Kirby focuses on commercial voice over work but also brings in instructors who teach animation VO such as Julie Lemieux (Care Bears, Sailor Moon, Rupert, etc.)
Melissa Altro will be joining the Voice Over Experts faculty soon. You may know her voice from her role as Muffy on the hit cartoon show “Arthur” and as Pippi in “Pippi Longstocking” among other projects she’s worked on.
Melissa has a workshop coming up on April 10, 2010 that you might find interesting. It’s an introductory workshop that will help you start your voice over journey.
You can learn more about Melissa Altro by visiting her website:
http://www.melissaaltro.com
Has this information been useful for you?
Best wishes,
Stephanie
Well, this is my last year of school and i want to be a voice-actor, i want to know what i need, like grades, do i need a lot of experience, how old you got to be, and where to apply…
thanks ^^
Shazza !! ^^
Hi I am Anya sweetland I would love to do an audition for a voice of a cartoon character it’s my dream to do this!
P.S I’m only ten don’t get freaked out!
i was interested in doing voice acting for chartoons and anime for a while now it’s a bckup plan in case i dont know what else to do i think it would be cool and i can do different voices such as british, girly, normal, guys, and others
I would really like to have a job in voice acting in like a cartoon or anime or something 😀
I can talk in a British accent, a cute voice (kinda like bubbles from the Powerpuff girls), a voice a little deeper than my own, and of course, my regular voice. (:
I’m turning 13 this August (I’m going to be in the eighth grade in September) and I get A’s and B’s.
I hope I can find a show for people that are about my age watch and I’d like to find one as soon as possible. Thanks (;
~Alyssa
I would like to be a Anime voice actress and I can do a variety of voices.
I’m 13 and I’ll start school in September 7th
I can do brittish ,spanish,cute,funny,serious,deep and more voices
and I can also speak spanish
and I am familiar on how voice acting works and I hope a girl my age can become a Anime voice actress.
I can also sing in a low tempo voice
I will be more than happy to know that I can become a voice actress and will be able to find a job as soon as possible. Thank You 😀
Hi,
My name is Deja Hill and I am interested in voice overs. I am 14 years old and I want to become a child voice actor. I live in Los Angeles California and would appreciate any information you could give regarding voice acting classes as I am not familiar with any agency/agencies in my area. I have many questions on this matter and would be very great-full for any information you can give. You can contact me at [email protected]. Thanking you in advance.
Sincerely,
Deja
Dear Sunday,
This is a Great Honor for me to get to write to you. I am 12 years of age, and its been a Dream for me to be a Voice Actor. I hope that someday I can be as Great as you. I Love watching Cartoons. There’s not one cartoon I wouldn’t want to watch. Maybe someday or somehow I can be working alongside you, voice acting for a Cartoon as big as a Child’s Heart.
Hope you feel the same way to.
Hi im Ash and im 12 and iv always wanted to do voice acting since both my sisters are in modeling and i thought being a voice actor would be better then having to walk in a straight line a having people think ohnshes not that pretty so voice acting has been a dream oh mine dose anyone have any tips for me?
Hi Sunday Muse,
im 11 and its always been my dream to be an actor in any sort of way.
but i know im to shy for the camera so i know the only way is voice acting. i live in the UK and i have no idea where to find a voice acting coach. i can do proper british, american my own voice a voice like alvin and the chipmunks brittany chipette and thats about it, but i am a really fast learner and i can read well, i can speak so it can match moving pictures with no sound and i would really love your advise as this is my lifes goal to become famous because no one thinks i can do things but inside i know i am capeable of great things!
Hope to here from you soon
Jordan!
Hi,
My name is Paula, and i’d like to be an anime seiyuu(voice actress).
I can change my voice into high pitched sounds, and i can make my voice sound smoother than my real voice.
I’ve always loved anime, and i’ve always wanted to be a voice actress! I’m only in fifth grade, and soon to be in sixth grade.
Many of my friends say i sound cute in my different voices, and i’ve thought about it a lot, and i want to be a anime voice actress.
Hello my name is Autumn and It”s my DREAM to be a voice actor.
I am 13 years old and I love voices. My friends do think I am crazy and funny and weird but this is what I love. I can do a Irish accent, Russian, little kids voice, boys voice, girls voice, I do have my own characters ^^
I love them too. If there is any hope for me please help me!
I also sing a lot I have a solo for my school. I am very hyper and fun loveing Please let my dream come true it would make my world!
Thank you ^^
i am almost there i am begining
Hello. I’m Avrielle. I am fourteen, and I have wanted a job as a voice actor since I was small. I remember trying to mimic the television character’s voices to put on a puppet show for my parents. (Puppet shows began getting awkward as I grew older.) I am able to perform the certain voices from my favorite anime shows; as well as child boy and girl voices. I’d like to actually get into voice acting. Even if it is “Just a dream” I’d like to make my dream a reality. If you could, please contact me. I’d enjoy an audition location, or anything really. Thank you so much.
~Avrielle
I’m an adult ( o.k. almost a senior citizen!!) but I took voice-over classes and I have a demo, and I have always been interested in doing cartoon character voice-over work. please let me know how would I go about this. Is it possible? Thanks so much for your time.
Hi Susie,
Thank you for commenting! I hope you’re well.
Character voice work is certainly fun. Depending on where you are, there may be a teacher nearby who can help instruct you. That being said, some instructors do offer training over the phone or by Skype online. Something I would suggest doing is to create characters that you can easily pull out of your pocket for auditioning. Penny Abshire produced a wonderful podcast on how to do this that you might find useful. Check it out here:
https://www.voices.com/podcasts/voiceoverexperts/podcast/voice_over_experts_episode_12/
Also, I recommend listing yourself on Voices.com if you haven’t already done so to promote your voice. Many projects that come through the site require characterization. Premium members are able to audition for any public job that matches their profile.
Let me know if I can be of further assistance!
Happy New Year 🙂
Best wishes,
Stephanie
Hey Sunday Muse,
I am 14 years old and my name is Maddie.
Since I was about 9 I’ve wanted to be a voice actress. I have looked everywhere for some sort of help in this but the problem is I live in the UK and there don’t seem to be many options or choices.
I do have a british teenage accent but have been told that I am great at other accents aswell.
So far I have joined theatres and have played main roles. And have had to play a range of characters. In which I have needed to use different voices to suit them.
But I’m stuck, there doesn’t seem to be anyone to contact to help me achieve this dream of mine.
Is there anything you could advise me on to inprove?
Maddie
Hey, I read about this, where and how can I get a job, a 13 year old, to be a voice actor in a cartoon? If someone can tell me or send me a job for EVEN A MINOR ROLE 1 EPISODE or what-not.
– Michael
Hello my name is jonee. Im 14 years old. I always wanted to be a voice of a cartoon. I hope i get the chance to do so one day……thank you
Dear Sunday Muse,
My dream is to become a famous voice-actor on Cartoon Network, and I’m only 10 years old. Where do I start?
Sincerely,
Amarius
Dear Sunday Muse,
I would like to ask you how should I start my voice overing career.
I like to do tons of research when serious about something.Almost everyday I am practicing my wide range of voices which go from raspy, to sweet, to innocent to hoarse and etc… I am almost sixteen and have given this some serious thought.I know the “do’s nd don’ts” for sending in an audition and the differences from speaking close/intimate to the mic and far/force projected. Could you please write me back if you have any helpful hints I may need and how to get started and or go about persuing a voice overi.g career.
With Love and admiration,
Kimberly
hi,
i have always wanted to become a voice cartoon or actress.I would like to fulfill my dream.please help become a cartoon voice.Are there any lessons that you can give through my email?
Thanks
Hi,
My name is Jedidah. I am 11 years old. I have always wanted to become a voice cartoon or actress. I would like to fulfill my DREAM.Please help become a voice actress. I have been imitating some of my favorite actors and I think I can go far through my talent. The problem is that I live in Kenya. Are there any lessons that you can give me through my email?
Thanks.
Hi Jedidah,
Thank you for commenting! Something you can do is subscribe to the Voice Over Experts podcast and also follow Sunday Muse via social media. I will send you an email with some links.
Best wishes,
Stephanie
Hi,
I am a 17 year old girl and I was wondering how to get into voice acting because I can do an amazing kid voice and I’ve been doing it all my life and I really think I could become a cartoon character. Anyway, some input would be helpful.
Hey,
My name is Nikko and I am 18 years old, turning 19 in January. I live in Ontario, Canada. I really want to get into voice acting. My specialty is portraying a child’s voice. I have been working on it for a while and I feel that it sounds very realistic and I can incorporate many different emotions to it as well. I have been getting very positive feedback for it from other people as well. I was hoping that you can help me get a job in the voice acting business or help me get me and audition. That would be great!
Thanks,
Nikko
Hello,
I’m a thirteen year old girl in Texas and I want to become a voice actress. I came up with eight different voices including a teenage boy voice, an old man voice, a baby voice, a really high and annoying voice, and this really really deep voice that makes me laugh. I’m not a voice actress yet, but I won’t stop until I am. Please help me fulfill my dream.
Hello!
My name is Jazmyne, although I prefer going by Jazz. I am 16 years My long-term goal is to become a movie director and a script writer, however, I’d like to do minor jobs such as voice acting while I am young. I have been told I have a good enough voice for it, but I can’t seem to find any jobs in my city. Is there anyway you could e-mail me links to places or people looking for teenagers to do voice-overs?
Thank you in advanced, Jazz.
I’m a luso-canadienne girl and in Portugal my job was cartoon voice acting and it’s my passion. I’ve done a lot a principal voices animals girls little boys etc…. i would like to know if i can do a casting. i don’t know wich direction a take….I live in MOntreal i speak english french and Portuguese. thank you so much
Hi, I always wanted to be a voice actor for as long as I can remember. I just love bringing a character to life with my voice. I hope you can offer me a chance to become a voice actor. 🙂
Thank you,
Hi, I really want to become a cartoon character’s voice, but I don’t know how to. I only speak English but I think thats enough. I am very dramatic and can do lots of different voices. My grandma always says I would be good at being an actress or do cartoon character voices. It would be amazing if somehow I could do this. Help me out.
I really want to be a voice actor but I don’t know where to start. I also really want to be a cartoon character but so far I havn’t found anything that would suit me best
Hi,
My name is Anna. I am 13 years old. I’ve always dreamt of being a seiyuu (voice actress) and I want to make my wish come true. I’ve been practicing with anime scripts recording my voice. I know it’s still not perfect, but i’d be very pleased if you could show me links by email to work for seiyuu in Catalonia (Spain) ?
Thank you very much ^ ^
Hello,
My name is Brandon, I am almost an adult I am 17 years of age and I live in Georgia and I would love to get into voice- overs for games or cartoons maybe movies. I’m just trying to learn the basics and I have tons of questions. I’ve listened to some of the other podcasts and some of it just really didn’t stick with me, so in other words I’m confused. The thing is I’m probably going to get started in this field probably a few years later. Seeing as you are in the voice-over industry I figured you’d know who exactly I could go to for voice coaching. Can you help?
Hi I have wanted to be a voice actor for a while but I really don’t know where to start and I want to be like my favorite voice actor Troy Baker and im a kid
I am 13 years old soon to be turning 14 this year. I love to voice act with my friends and by myself. I’ve been practicing for about two years now and one of the main character that I use is Lightning Farron (ffxiii). I’m wondering if you have any ideas if I can go anywhere to work harder on this.
Hi, my name is Sondra,
I enjoy acting and am very enthusiastic. I love anime and cartoons. I can do several different accents and voice tones. I absolutely adore new things, usually won’t complain about anything and I can sing. I can adapt, I’m used to change and I know how to adjust, even in uncomfortable situations and I’m a relatively flexible worker. I really like studying the way voice actresses and actors move and talk, that way I can somewhat understand their methods and slowly build up my experience. Voice acting is my dream, I’m currently an aspiring author. I’ve got an open schedule, like, all of the time, so I spend a great majority of my time watching anime of course.
Hi, What if your 13 year old is interested in this but lives in TX? Can you suggest a way for him to learn this skill without traveling to Canada?
Hey my name, is Brenisha Wright, from Dallas, Tx. Im 18teen years old and would like do voices of cartoon characters my real voice is almost the same as the famous singer Michel’le. How could i start and get myself out there in world of doing voice for cartoons characters?
Hi so I turned 13 a couple of months ago and I was inspired to become an voice actor I have always loved acting but I have a little bit of stage fright…so I thought the best way to follow my dream was to move to Hollywood when I grow up and applie for auditions but I’m ready to start now.Do you have and ideas or tips on how to simply become an voice actor for well any show,Dora,Steven Universe,ect.got any ideas please let me know
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Hi, my name is Nadia Nadeeda, I’m 14 years old, I lived in Malaysia,
I enjoy doing voices of stuff animals for my younger brother. I absolutely love anime and cartoon. I can do cute voices and I can sing. I love to take the challenge of doing new things. I would love to be a voice actress. I’ve always wanted to be a voice actress because its fun.
can I be an voice actor I’m a kid and I speak 3 language the language are bengali ,English, Italian can I be an voice actor please ???????????????????????
Hi my name is Pamela. I have a very smart and very intelligent 10 year old daughter. My daughter has a nice and sweet voice. I know she would do very good. I would like to have her to do voice over. I’m trying to see how I can get her started.